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listen to what she said in 2007 when she was asked how she would like to be remembered herself. >> if i fought for something i believed in, i could get something accomplished. but i had to fight. good evening, everyone. we begin with breaking news from libya. within the last hour, reports of a loud explosion heard in tripoli. reuters reporting residents say they saw smoke rising from a military base. we'll take you live to tripoli in a few moments and talk to david kirkpatrick. it is 4:00 a.m. in libya. the early hours of the sixth day of coalition air strikes. this video taken a view hours ago. new rounds of racer fire seen over tripoli. we got new pictures from the
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french military planes taking off from an aircraft carrier. the coalition flew 175 sorties over libya in the last 24 hours. officials now say that gadhafi's air power has been rendered ineffective and they've shifted to targeting gadhafi's ground forces. watch what happened to nbc's richard engle just outside abdijaya when he was reporting out outgunned the opposition is. >> reporter: he just handed me his gun. i didn't realize until he put it in my hands, it's made of plastic. it's a toy. [ explosions ] three explosions 50 yards away. so we were doing the interviews, incoming rounds just landed in this area. the rebels are now starting to
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flee. >> he reports that incoming fire was from gadhafi positions five miles away from where he and the opposition forces were standing. we also have new video from the scene from the ground in misurata posted on youtube. we cannot independently confirm when it was shot. take a look. [ gunfire ] >> witnesses in misurata say that gadhafi forces fired on the main hospital there today, with shelling going on for 40 minutes at a time, killing at least two, leaving patients and doctors rattled. new information about gadhafi's inner circle reaching out to the united states. senior u.s. officials tell cnn that a brother-in-law has been calling the state department almost every day. arab allies say they're also getting calls. we heard this talk yesterday
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from secretary of state clinton. it could be a sign that gadhafi's regime is looking for a way out. it could also be disinformation being put forward by the u.s. and others to make gadhafi not trust the people around him. in an interview, president obama said that gadhafi could wait it out, even though his forces have been weakened. today, secretary of state clinton said gadhafi and his inner circle have some choices to make. >> it will be up to gadhafi and his insiders to determine what their next steps are. but we would certainly encourage that they would make the right decision. not only institute a real comprehensive cease-fire, but withdraw from the cities and the military actions and prepare for a transition that does not include colonel gadhafi. the quickest way for him to end
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this is to actually serve the libyan people by leaving. >> gadhafi shows no sign that he's ready to back down. he and his government continue to insist that the air strikes are killing and injuring civilians, though they've presented no evidence. in a pentagon briefing, the chief of stuff for the joint task force said there's no evidence of civilian casualties. when journalists asked to be taken to hospitals where civilians are being injured or civilians are being treated, instead they're taken to pro-gadhafi rallies where the minders help whip up the crowd. jonathan miller asked to see some of those alleged civilian targets and wounded. the minder took him to a naval warehouse that had been hit in a strike, clearly a military target. when he confronted the government minder, the guy had no answers. watch. >> reporter: why did you bringtous a naval target? >> it's an attack here.
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why attack here? >> reporter: it's a military target. saleem, you told us many civilians have been killed. many civilians injured. >> what is this? >> reporter: this is a military -- >> it's our people. it's our money. it's our land. >> if you really want to see how surreal the propaganda gets, you have to watch a little libyan state television. we found this on youtube. a man actually pulls out an ak-47 and pledges allegiance to gadhafi. [ inaudible ] >> in the name of almighty god, i pledge to you, my dear leader, i will sacrifice my last breath, my last bullet, my last baby and child for you. >> a show of loyalty on libyan state run tv.
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there's no evidence that civilian casualties. but in misurata, civilians continue to get killed by gadhafi forces. one opposition member told us that gadhafi ground forces fired from tanks, killing seven people. earlier i spoke with another in misurata who said the problem is they don't have enough ammunition and strong, heavy weapons that can take out gadhafi's tanks. again, as always, we cannot independently verify what this person is saying. what's the situation in misurata now? >> misurata has been attacked, attacked by tanks. about 10:00 or 9:00, the tanks at tripoli street were trying to attack the clinics where the injured and dead are kept. >> are opposition fighters trying to fight back? >> yes, they are defending the hospital right now.
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and we just heard that a few of the snipers have been killed. >> last night there were coalition air strikes near misurata. were you able to see those or hear those? >> yes. the air strike was taking place at the air force academy. that's about 50 kilometers away from the center of the city. that's where gadhafi's forces come from. i think their ammo is just about finished. the gadhafi forces are just been patrolling tripoli street. that's it for them. the uprising has taken control. like they are blocking them inside the street. they will not let them go out. it's just a matter of time to win this battle. >> you believe it's just a
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matter of time? >> yes, the air strikes have help add lot. >> so what gives you confidence it's just a matter of time before you're able to defeat the gadhafi forces? >> yes. we just need more ammo shortly. it's just ammo we need. >> thank you very much for talking was. stay safe. >> thank you, mr. anderson, thank you very much. >> a voice from misurata. now the latest from arwa damon in misurata. arwa, you were on the front lines hours ago outside abdijaya. what did you see there? where are the rebels? >> reporter: well, anderson, they're only a short distance away from the northern gate, but that is where they appear to be slightly bogged down. the air strikes have allowed
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them to advance this far. they've been trying to break through gadhafi's tanks. the artillery that he has, this barrage has been raining down on them and they have not been able to reach them. this is where we have an example of where the opposition is at a point where the air strikes had helped it gain momentum but where it needs to fight out the last part of the battle on its own. it needs to be able to deliver that final blow to gadhafi's forces. but it is here where they are struggling, because also outside of abdijaya, we're hearing from the opposition they need better weapons and better equipment. there's little they can do in the face of this artillery barrage. they've been trying to loop around and go to other entrances, outflank gadhafi's forces. but they're really struggling in this case. and this is where it is going to be very challenging and very difficult for them to gain this momentum and to try to move forward through various cities
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and towns, anderson. >> david, we just heard of new air strikes in tripoli, explosions being heard. cnn has confirmed that. you say anti-aircraft fire is markedly down since the bombing campaign began. what does that suggest to you? >> reporter: well, one theory is they've taken out a lot of the anti-aircraft weapons. that's certainly possible. i can't rule out that the gadhafi government has, for their own reason, decided to conserve their information. but they shoot their guns in the air at the slightest opportunity all the time. >> david, also abc news is quoting officials that gadhafi is increasingly anxious and "moving around a ton." that was the quote. we obviously -- we don't know where he is obviously, do we? >> no, we don't.
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gadhafi made an appearance last night at his palace. i guess two nights ago now, gave a speech that included the lines "i am here, i am here, i am here." his main point seemed to be showing people that he was alive and in the palace. whether he immediately left for another more secure location, i have no idea. certainly if i was colonel gadhafi, i wouldn't let everyone know where i was. >> arwa, there have been reports that opposition forces may have been have been receiving we pons, i think it was through egypt. have you seen any evidence that they have new weaponry at all? >> reporter: no, anderson, we haven't. we've also heard various reports that weapons have been coming from egypt and some other countries. we've been asking the opposition leadership, their military leadership about this. they're denying that any sort of government is sending them weapons, that they are receiving weapons from the outside.
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what we do see is opposition fighters alongside the main routes here going from benghazi to abdijaya trying to put together whatever weapons they've managed to recuperate from gadhafi's forces following the air strikes. you see them on the side of the road trying to put together the damaged multiple barreled rocket launchers. we see them trying to haul the tanks away, trying to repair those. this is really how they've been arming themselves. they have basically been cobbling together bits and pieces of weapons that they're finding. what they carry into the battlefield is whatever they have recovered from weapon storage facilities, from arms depots. this is why they say they need weapons and equipment. now, the chief of staff for the opposition military did tell us that they specifically have asked various foreign countries for weapons and for equipment,
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because these fighters out there, anderson, they don't even have flak jackets. but the army chief of staff is saying that as of now, they have not received anything. >> david, we saw this anchor or television presenter basically whip out what looks like a brand new ak-47. i know you were on the road today in a town where people have been armed, given new ak-47s. that would seem to be a sign of some confidence by gadhafi if he's willing to arm some of his people. >> reporter: i thought it was a sign of remarkable confidence. we were in the strong hold of libya's tribe. everyone here says you can't rule out them. they're the bedrock of the gadhafi military forces. this is a town where so many young men go in the military. the university is pretty much all women, because military jobs are a good source of income and prestige here. and yet we've been hearing
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murmurs that they were wavering in their loyalty. there has been coup attempts in the past, and if they were to defect, that would be a real bellwether event. yet in this context, here's colonel gadhafi handing out a new rifle to every household. we saw teenagers showing off and trying to figure out their new guns. and on the way back in, we saw six or more pretty heavily armed checkpoints with machine guns surrounded by sandbags and heavily artillery into the road, which suggests to me they're hedging their bettis a little b. >> and arwa, are you aware of any coordination between opposition forces, the military force and the coalition forces? are they in communication about locations of their fighters?
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>> reporter: according to the army chief of staff here, he was telling us that there is, in fact, direct coordination between himself, between coalition forces. they are very much sharing intelligence on locations that they would like to see hit in these air strikes. and that the coalition is also sharing various intelligence that they have, as well. interesting, anderson, the general was telling us that they have not asked the coalition to hit gadhafi's compound and in those strikes that we have been seeing there in the past, they're saying that was not specifically their request. when it comes to gadhafi, the opposition very much insisting that they want to be the ones who take him out at the end of the day. >> arwa damon, david kirkpatrick, thank you very much. stay safe. let us know what you think on facebook, or twitter. i'll be tweeting throughout the hour tonight. strong criticism coming over the united states' role in libya. some say it cost too much. some say there's no reason for
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the u.s. to be there. strategic reasons. we'll hear from the president of the council of foreign relations next. and talk to former general wesley clark, jill dougherty and others. different viewpoints. also ahead, another setback at the damaged nuclear power plant in japan and another pressing problem. word today the water is contaminated, too dangerous for infants to safely drink, even in tokyo. we'll have the latest on that, coming up. welcome back to geico radio, it's savings, on the radio.
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there's political and philosophical criticism. richard haass is the former chief of adviser to colin powell. i know you don't think there were vital interests at stake in terms of getting the u.s. involve e involved. let's talk about where we move forward from here since we are involved in this. what are your biggest concerns now? >> you're right, we are where we are, whether you thought this was a great idea or a terrible idea. the operation will take longer than people think, it always does. the opposition is always seen as a plural, rather than a singular organized fighting force. the allies weren't coordinated much among themselves, much less with the opposition. so you've got to prepare for something that could be messy and prolonged. >> when president obama says days, not weeks in terms of u.s. leadership on this, or u.s. the most prominent role in this, do you buy that? >> if he's right, someone else
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better be prepared to step in. could be the arab league or the french. but you are ultimately going to need an awful lot of military help on behalf of the opposition. if you succeed, you're going to need probably some kind of peacekeeping force. the one thing we could probably predict, if the opposition ever does get rid of gadhafi, then their one common thread will have disappeared and for all we know, they're start fighting among themselves. gadhafi never allowed an army to really grow up that has a national reach. this is -- even if we're successful, this is going to be extraordinarily messy. >> people say we know who the opposition is. look at the makeup of the council running benghazi now, they are doctors, former government people, secularists. do you buy that, or do you feel like we don't know who the opposition is? >> no, because in civil wars, in
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libya you've got an unbelievably complicated overlay of tribes and family and the rest. anyone who speaks with any confidence that we know what would succeed gadhafi, if gadhafi did fall, i simply don't buy that. >> do you not see this as a democratic uprising, that just turned violent or do you see this as a civil war that the u.s. is now siding with one group in a civil war? >> the latter. this is a civil war. whether you think it was humanitarian intervention or not, this is a civil war. we have sided with one side, the opposition to gadhafi. we don't know exactly who it is we're siding with. we certainly don't know who on the side we're working with would prevail with in the end. civil wars are nasty and often people who come to the fore are not people reading the federalist papers. >> could anything be worse than gadhafi, a guy who has run the place like penal colony. >> sure. you could have situations of
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massive chaos. you could have people come to the fore who are aligned with radical islamic groups. you could have a central government that doesn't control big chunks of the territory. you could have ungoverned spaces where groups like al qaeda could put down roots. so yeah, as bad as things are. one of my few rules in the middle east, things have to get worse before things get worse. so i can spin out scenarios where things in libya get better, but we have to be prepared that gadhafi could prevail, or even if the opposition ousted him, that's not the end of things. that's the beginning of phase two. and that could be extraordinarily complicated. >> so this operation is going to take a lot longer than people have been led to believe? >> until libya is functioning as a normal country, that could be
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a matter of years. >> can you see a situation where gadhafi remains in power and this operation ends? >> sure. he could hang tough, by and large if the government stays in tact, and are willing to kill their own people, he could remain in place. we don't know if the europeans and the united states would be willing to escalate. the president said he wants gadhafi to go, but no american boots on the ground. we have a disconnect between the ambitions of our goals and the means that we have. you could imagine libya fight thing out for some time to come. >> richard haass, appreciate you being on. joining us from paris, correspondent jill dougherty and emery slaughter, and in little rock, arkansas, general wesley clark. ann marie slaughter, you heard
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richard raising many of the questions about where we go from here. what do you make of that? >> i disagree with about every point. let's look at it in terms of where we were a week ago, where we didn't even have a u.n. resolution. then we get a u.n. resolution that is supported by a remarkable coalition of countries, including lebanon, nigeria, other countries. then saturday, the first planes are in the air. that's only 3 1/2 days ago. in 3 1/2 days, we have stopped gadhafi in his tracks, we prevented a massacre in benghazi. we are making progress and enables the rebels to make progress outside of other towns as we just heard. in tripoli, people are starting once again to make clear that they really don't support gadhafi. they're emerging from the blanket of fear. what we're hearing now, in only
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3 1/2 days with nine nations in the coalition, we're hearing that members of gadhafi's inner circle are reaching out to lots of governments, which is exactly consistent with the strategy we've been following. so i think 3 1/2 days in, that's not a bad track record. >> general clark, what about you? there are a lot of things we don't know about the opposition forces, the makeup of them, what they would do afterward. and where this operation goes from here. we are doing this on the fly. i think it was gates himself said today that we're doing this -- i can't remember the exact quote, but we usually don't do this thing on the fly as we have been. >> right. this is not a conventional military intervention. normally you would say what's your military objective and how does it support the decisive outcome that you're seeking? here we have a decisive outcome we're seeking, which is to get rid of gadhafi, but the military objective doesn't exactly lead to that outcome necessarily. it might.
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and this is a situation, it is on the fly, it's being put together. it could work. it's going to take a lot of work behind the scenes with allies, arabs and the libyan opposition to pull this off and there are limits apparently to what the military is going to be enabled to do. so that means there's got to be other means employed to get the desired outcome. it could work. but it's not a conventional way of going at it. >> ann marie, it does seem what we're looking for is a political solution to this, meaning a political outcome, gadhafi leaving or being taken out. is a military -- is the military force really the best way to get a political outcome, does that work? >> i think we're combining force with diplomacy and each has a distinct mission. the use of force is designed to protect civilians, and it is succeeding in that goal, remarkably in a short period of time. we are protecting civilians. we're basically forcing gadhafi to fight much more fairly rather
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than invading cities and taking retribution. at the same time, we have a diplomatic strategy of isolation and pressure to try to force gadhafi out. now, the military strategy has leveled the playing field. at the same time we're working? many different ways. economic sanctions, political pressure to change the calculations at least of the people around gadhafi and it looks like that may be working, as well. it's never one or the other. it's never just force or diplomacy. real state craft is using them both in ways that reinforce each other. i think there are two missions here, but they reinforce each other. >> jill, what's the latest on the debate over allied command and control? >> reporter: well, the latest we're hearing in fact from european diplomats is that the stopping -- what's stopping nato really from, you know, being the central focus here is the french. that they simply don't want it.
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why don't they want it? they say that the arabs wouldn't like it. but then some of these diplomats tell us the arabs really couldn't care less. it would be okay with them. then there's also that, how do we pull it delicately, the ego issue of president sarkozy and some people talked about that, he wanted to be seen as the person leading this and perhaps that's part of the motivation. >> general clark, there are plenty of people who would say great, let president sarkozy take the lead on this and run the whole thing. >> that's true. and if it works out okay, maybe that's going on fine. but first, it's not clear that the french have the wherewithal to do the mitt tear coordination or that they can do all the political work that ann marie is talking about. so i think the administration is committed in this, and the way the politics will work out is
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that this will eventually sort out to the harder the u.s. tries, the deeper we are involved politically, the more the president's reputation rides on the outcome. and the less likely we're going to be willing to defer to president sarkozy, unless he's producing quick results. >> ann marie, do you agree with richard haass that we have taken sides in a civil war and if so, do you have a problem with that? >> i don't. i think that's what colonel gadhafi wants us to believe. he wants us to see this as a civil war. if it's a civil war, why is he having to pay foreign mercenaries to attack his own people? as far as i'm concerned, there's very little evidence that this is not a popular uprising, and the minute you give people the ability to actually express their views free of fear, they are opposed to him. indeed, even tribes that have been with him for a long time. you're seeing lots of fissures.
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>> jill, general clark, thank you very much. ann marie, stay with us. i want to talk about what's going on in yemen and syria. security forces launching deadly brakedowns in yemen and bahrain, as well. also ahead, a setback for workers in japan. and new radiation concerns, this time linked to tap water. we'll also speak to a man in syria. [ woman ] when you want a bank that travels with you. with you when you're ready for the next move. [ male announcer ] now that wells fargo and wachovia have come together, what's in it for you? unprecedented strength, the stability of the leading community bank in the nation and with 12,000 atms and thousands of branches, we're with you in more ways and places than ever before. with you when you want the most from your bank. [ male announcer ] wells fargo. together we'll go far. time to face the pollen that used to make me sneeze.
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anti-government protesters in syria clashed today with
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security forces in the city of dara. human rights activists say at least 15 people were killed by security forces. while the united states, western europe and most arab nations are focused on libya, many parts of the middle east are boiling over. the government has tried to isolate dara, cutting off electricity, telephone service. activists say at least 21 people have died there since friday. in yemen, the president finally agreed today to government reforms. but at the same time, yemen's parliament extended his emergency powers for another 30 days. last week, yemen's security forces launched a violent crackdown on protesters killing more than 50. and in bahrain, weeks of peaceful demonstrations against the ruling family turned violent last week when security forces launched a crackdown chasing protesters out of a main square,
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killing some protesters. saudi forces had also moved in into bahrain. earlier tonight i spoke to wassam tarif. we offered to talk to him without using his name, but he wanted his name used. we considered not doing in the interview, but we believe he is well aware of the dangers he faces. today, syrian authorities arrested a prominent rights activist, but you want us to talk to us and use your name. why do you want us to use your name? >> well, it is important, the high wall of fear in syria has fallen. syrian people who are living in exile and living abroad, who are calling arab networks, tvs and
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hiding their name and disguising their voices should stop it now. people are dying right now in dara. we have been living in this country for 50 years under emergency law. this element of fear has to be broken. >> what is the situation on the ground there? >> well, in dara, dara has been in blackout. there is no land lines working, mobile phones are not working. there is no electricity at the moment. the security forces have invaded the mosque last night and killed six people. a girl 8 years old was injured and she died at 8:00 in the
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morning. the security forces prevented the funeral because they know that people gather and become more excited. and that causes much more anger and people gathered again around 2:00 around the mosque, and they were seized by security forces. and the security forces created more brutality. we have confirmed a few names of people that have been killed. another eight names are being circulated and we are trying to confirm the names. people are being slaughtered right now in dara. >> the protesters, though, unlike in tunisia, unlike in egypt, they're not calling for the end of the president's regime. >> no. no one has told the president to leave. they are asking for a simple and realistic demand. they are asking for the release
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of prisoners of conscience. they are asking for the abolishment of emergency law. they are asking for reform in the country. syria is full of young people who would love a quality education. they have to be given the chance to prove themselves and to build the country. this is not the way the president should be managing this. he has to start listening. it's the time to start listening and acting. he can't afford anymore promises. reforms should have started 11 years ago, not now. this man has to start listening to the demands of his people now. >> i applaud your courage and appreciate your talking to us. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> let's talk more about the growing violence in syria, yemen and bahrain. back with us, ann marie
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slaughter from princeton university. first, the situation in syria, what do you make of the government's crackdown? >> well, the first thing to say is the courage of these people is absolutely amazing. our hats go off, you know, the government is going to try to continue to use the tactic that it has used for a long time, which is to snuff out any protest. but what we just heard, which i think is most important, is the wall of fear is coming down. that people are realizing that other people are willing to speak out. that other people are willing to take risk and then they're more willing to take risk. as you heard, as people sacrificed their lives for this -- in protest, then you have funerals and that begins to escalate. that's a cycle we've seen in many countries. but in syria, it really takes tremendous courage. >> the police state in syria is
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omnipresent. it's the same phrase breaking down that wall of fear, same phrase we heard in egypt early on, people saying "fear had been defeated." it's interesting that the demonstrations in syria, that so far at this point the people have not been calling for the president to actually step down. and yet he's not taking that as an opportunity to kind of show his willingness to, you know, go after corruption, go after reform. >> that's right. although of course they are asking for things that would make it much harder for him to rule. they are asking for the release of political prisoners, they're asking for the lifting of the emergency law. those are the tools with which you keep enforced stability. but they are doing actually exactly what you would recommend, which is they're demonstrating peacefully and asks for reform. and that is, in fact, a position that the united states has supported for many years now where we've been pushing governments to meet the needs of
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their people, to evolve so they have evolution rather than revolution. and here you're seeing a state that doesn't look like it's likely to take that root. and at that point things can turn violent. >> in yemen, you have two wars basically going on in the north and south and insurgency battles against al qaeda forces. you have a very real al qaeda presence in the country. is that the lens through which u.s. officials look at the situation in yemen? >> this is an incredibly complex set of choices for the administration. we need the cooperation of the yemeni government. we get very valuable intelligence, obviously for counterterrorism. instability in the region does mean havens for al qaeda. at the same time, we know that unless the government begins to meet these demands, begins to reform in ways that people are satisfied with, you can have an
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explosion that really would produce the kind of chaos or ungoverned spaces that richard haass was talking about, that really would be worse even in the situation now. so we need to push the government and support the right to peaceful protest. but we really don't want a revolution there in terms of our interest or frankly for the interest of the people. >> obviously in bahrain, you have a completely different situation, which you now have saudi forces in bahrain, also i believe forces from the uae, from the gulf cooperation council, so called. how do you see the situation there? >> there again, one of the tenants that we are following is, look, it's up to the regional organizations to take the lead here. that's why we waited for the arab league to ask for a no-fly zone in libya. and here you have the gulf cooperation council who have an agreement to come to each other's aid and we are not going to override what countries have
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agreed among themselves. at the same time, we've been very clear that to the extent, the point of those troops is to crush peaceful protests, that may seem like a smart tactic in the short term, but it's not in the long-term and it's certainly not in our interest or we think in the government's interest, that they have to reform, to meet the demands of the people. >> you also have the sunni-shia split in bahrain. concerns about iranian involvement in the region. we'll be talking about this a lot in the weeks and days to come. ann marie slaughter, thank you very much for being with us. one more note, a terrorist attack at a bus station in jerusalem today killed at least one person, injured dozens of others. israeli says an explosive device was left inside a bag. president netanyahu pledged to deal with the ordeal. next, parents in tokyo warn
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when the earthquake happened, students at the elementary evacuated out of the school. they had no idea a tsunami was coming. out of 108 students at the
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school that day, 77 are either dead or missing. that's 70% of the children at this school. only a shell stands where children learned. backpack after backpack sits for parents to retrieve, along with a picture of the school little league team, the bats they used, art bags filled with crayons, all waiting to be identified and brought home. >> hard to believe, one school, one town. the death toll rose to nearly 9,500 today with more than 15,000 still missing. so many stories still to be told. fewer than ten americans run accounted for according to the u.s. state department. breaking news in tokyo. officials warning residents not to give tap water to infants or use it in formula after tests found levels of radioactive iodine twice the limit for
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babies. stores are seeing a run on bottled water. tokyo's government said it's going to give water to 80,000 households with babies. keep in mind, tokyo is 150 miles from the fukushima daiichi nuclear power plant. at the plant, smoke began pouring from the badly damaged number three reactor, forcing more evacuations of workers. they have reportedly resumed their work inside. we have new pictures to show you taken inside control rooms. the plant's owner said two owners were injured while working with an electrical payable. here's what danny ude told me in our interview. >> it went on for a long time and while we were there, we just got into the corner, myself and my other co-workers, and friends and the japanese people tried to get up close to some of the main structure and the beams that
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were there, and do the best we could, because we couldn't make it to the door, it was shaking too much, too violently for us to get out. >> more of that interview later this week. tonight, the crisis, the quake and the tsunami. nuclear experts point out the clock is running. michael freelander joins me now. michael, when electricity was restored at the plant, or at least those cables were hooked back up, the cooling pumps haven't been turned on, but there was hope the crisis was getting under control. you believe some of the most risky work still lays ahead. >> yeah, that's exactly right, anderson. think about it. when that accident happened, much of the radioactivity basically staid inside what we call the primary containment building. we've seen some of the venting and some of the consequence there is the country side and reaching to tokyo. most of that radioactivity remains inside the primary
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containment. as we restore those plant systems and start moving the plant to stable condition, we need to start moving large quantityties of radioactive water. and that is going to require meticulous oversight and management. >> there's also concern about something i hadn't heard about before, but salt buildup inside the reactors which could cause harm to heat up even more. are you concerned about this and explain like where there's so much salt in these reactors, from the saltwater? >> yeah, anderson, for almost two weeks now, we've been injects about 100 gallons a minute of seawater into these reactors. it's sort of like a teapot on the stove. as you pour increasing amounts of water in that -- saltwater in that steam pot, the water boils off and leaves the salt behind. so that salt is now inside the reactor vessel and settling in the bottom of the reactor.
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what we're worried is salt may be placed out on the side and it can insulate and block cooling wate water. >> do we know about the conditions of -- whether there's enough water now to cover the spent fuel rod pools? >> we don't have any detailed information. we will get our first glimpse of that as they restore power, as they get their instrumentation and controls back. then we'll be able to monitor the levels and the temperatures. that's why restoring power was a critical evolution and getting command and control back is important. >> you said one of the biggest worries is contaminated food and water. what does this tell you in tokyo about the extended contamination? >> another great question.
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this is indeed the principle issue we are going to have to monitor over the months and years to come. as that radiation, as that cloud of radioactive material drifted away from the power plant, it settled out in the countryside and the ocean. and we know the water sheds that feed the rivers are in those areas. so what's happened over the last several days, as the rain has come down, it's washed that radioactivity into the rivers. so while at a local level it may have been a very, very low level of contamination, it's now concentrated into the rivers. i think we're going to see that occurring more, as well as in the ocean food chain. >> michael freelander, good to talk to you. thank you very much. >> you bet. still ahead, a u.s. soldier pleading guilty to murdering afghan civilians. and elizabeth taylor being
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let's get an update on some of the other stories we're following with isha sesay. a u.s. soldier charged with killing afghan civilians in cold blood last year was sentenced today to 24 years in military prison. he pleaded guilty to three counts of murder, and agreed to testify against other soldiers charged in the killings. ? san francisco, a federal appeals court has again refused to allow same-sex marriages in california, while an appeal is pending. last year a federal judge declared a voter approved ban on
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same-sex marriages in california unconstitutional. the civil rights challenge is now at the u.s. court of appeals for the ninth circuit. the quake in japan may worsen the ipad ii shortage. the earthquake has halted or delayed production of many components in the popular device. and actress elizabeth taylor has died. in her nearly seven-decade career, she acted in more than 50 films, winning two oscars. taylor landed on hollywood's map when she was just 12 stars in "national velvet." she was the first actress to earn a million dollars for "cleopatra." off screen, she married eight times, twice to burton. after the death of her friend rock hudson, she became an activist, raising millions to help those with hiv-aids. elizabeth taylor was 79. and anderson, her son michael wilding put out a statement that
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good evening, everyone. we begin with breaking news from libya. within the last hour, reports of a loud explosion heard in tripoli. reuters reporting residents say they saw smoke rising from a military base. we're going to take you live to tripoli in a few moments and talk to david kirkpatrick. it is 4:00 a.m. in libya. the early hours of the sixth day of coalition air strikes. this video taken a view hours ago. new rounds of tracer fire seen over tripoli. we got new pictures from the french military planes taking off from an aircraft carrier. the coalition flew 175 sorties over libya in the last 24 hours. officials now say that gadhafi's air power has been rendered ineffective and they've shifted to targeting gadhafi's ground forces in abdijaya and misurata.
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in those cities, however, attacks continue to happen. watch what happened to nbc's richard engle just outside abdijaya when he was reporting out outgunned the opposition is. >> reporter: it's a toy gun. this is amazing. he just handed me his gun. i didn't realize until he put it in my hands, it's made of plastic. it's a toy. [ explosions ] three explosions 50 yards away. so we were doing the interviews, incoming rounds just landed in this area. the rebels are now starting to flee. >> he reports that incoming fire was from gadhafi positions five miles away from where he and the opposition forces were standing. we also have new video from the scene from the ground in misurata posted on youtube. it was september to us by one of our sources in that city. we cannot independently confirm when it was shot. take a look. [ gunfire ]
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>> witnesses in misurata say that gadhafi forces fired on the main hospital there today, with shelling going on for 40 minutes at a time, killing at least two, leaving patients and doctors rattled. new information about gadhafi's inner circle reaching out to the united states. senior u.s. officials tell cnn that one of kathd's closest can fi dants, a brother-in-law, has been calling the state department almost every day. arab allies say they're also getting calls. we heard this talk yesterday from secretary of state clinton. though u.s. officials say the intention behind these calls is murky, it could be a sign that gadhafi's regime is looking for a way out. it could also be disinformation being put forward by the u.s. and others to make gadhafi not trust the people around him. in an interview, president obama said that gadhafi could wait it out, even though his forces have been weakened. today, secretary of state clinton said gadhafi and his inner circle have some choices to make.
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>> it will be up to gadhafi and his insiders to determine what their next steps are. but we would certainly encourage that they would make the right decision. not only institute a real comprehensive cease-fire, but withdraw from the cities and the military actions and prepare for a transition that does not include colonel gadhafi. the quickest way for him to end this is to actually serve the libyan people by leaving. >> gadhafi shows no sign that he's ready to back down. he and his government continue to insist that the air strikes are killing and injuring civilians, though they've presented no evidence. in a pentagon briefing, the chief of staff for the joint task force said there's no evidence of civilian casualties. when journalists asked to be taken to hospitals where civilians are being injured or
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injured civilians are being treated, instead government minders take them to pro-gadhafi rallies where the minders themselves help whip up the crowd. britain channel 4's john that will miller asked to see some of those alleged civilian targets and wounded. the minder took him to a naval warehouse that had been hit in a strike, clearly a military target. when he confronted the government minder, the guy had no answers. watch. >> reporter: why did you bring us to a naval target? >> it's an attack here. why attack here? >> reporter: it's a military target. saleem, you told us many civilians have been killed. many civilians injured. >> what is this? >> reporter: this is a military -- >> it's our people. it's our money. it's our land. >> if you really want to see how surreal the propaganda gets, you have to watch a little libyan state television. we found this on youtube.
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a man who appears to be a television news anchor or presenter, actually pulls out an ak-47 and pledges allegiance to gadhafi. >> if these people are not loyal to the leadership, why would he arm us. in the name of almighty god, i pledge to you, my dear leader, i will sacrifice my last breath, my last bullet, my last drop of blood, my last baby and child for you. >> a show of loyalty on libyan state run tv. there's no evidence that civilian casualties in coalition air strikes. but in misurata, civilians continue to get killed by gadhafi forces. we spoke with a number of people in misurata today. one opposition member told us that gadhafi ground forces fired from tanks, killing seven people. earlier i spoke with another in misurata who said the problem is they don't have enough ammunition and they don't have enough strong, heavy weapons that can take out gadhafi's
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tanks. again, as always, we cannot independently verify what this person is saying. what's the situation in misurata now? >> misurata has been attacked, attacked by tanks. about 10:00 or 9:00, the tanks at tripoli street were trying to attack the clinics where the injured and dead are kept. >> are opposition fighters trying to fight back? >> yes, they are defending the hospital right now. and we just heard that a few of the snipers have been killed. >> last night there were coalition air strikes near misurata. were you able to see those or hear those? >> yes. the air strike was taking place at the air force academy. that's about 50 kilometers away from the center of the city.
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that's where gadhafi's forces come from. i think their ammo is just about finished. the gadhafi forces are just been patrolling tripoli street. that's it for them. the uprising has taken control. like they are blocking them inside the street. they will not let them go out. it's just a matter of time to win this battle. >> you believe it's just a matter of time? >> yes, the air strikes have helped us a lot. >> the air strikes have helped? >> yes. >> so what gives you confidence it's just a matter of time before you're able to defeat the gadhafi forces? >> yes. we just need more ammo shortly. it's just ammo we need. >> ammo in >> yes. >> thank you very much for talking was. stay safe.
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>> thank you, mr. anderson, thank you very much. >> a voice from misurata. now the latest from arwa damon in benghazi. and in tripoli, david kirkpatrick from "the new york times." arwa, you were on the front lines hours ago outside abdijaya. what did you see there? where are the rebels? >> reporter: well, anderson, they're only a short distance away from the northern gate, but that is where they appear to be slightly bogged down. the air strikes have allowed them to advance this far. they've been trying to break through gadhafi's tanks. the artillery that he has, this barrage has been raining down on them and they have not been able to reach them. this is where we have an example of where the opposition is at a point where the air strikes had helped it gain momentum but where it needs to fight out the last part of the battle on its own. it needs to be able to deliver
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that final blow to gadhafi's forces. but it is here where they are struggling, because also outside of abdijaya, we're hearing from the opposition they need better weapons and better equipment. there's little they can do in the face of this artillery barrage that they're coming up against. they've been trying to loop around and go to other entrances, outflank gadhafi's forces. but they're really struggling in this case. and this is where it is going to be very challenging and very difficult for them to gain this momentum and to try to move forward through various cities and towns, anderson. >> david, we just heard of new air strikes in tripoli, explosions being heard. cnn has confirmed that. i know you didn't hear it yourself. you say anti-aircraft fire is markedly down. we saw some a few hours ago, but it's been markedly down since the bombing campaign began. what does that suggest to you? >> reporter: well, one theory is they've taken out a lot of the anti-aircraft weapons.
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that's certainly possible. i can't rule out that the gadhafi government has, for their own reason, decided to conserve their ammunition. but nothing about this government tells me they want to conserve their ammunition. they shoot their guns in the air at the slightest opportunity all the time. >> david, also abc news is quoting officials that gadhafi is increasingly anxious and "moving around a ton." that was the quote. we obviously -- we don't know where he is obviously, do we? >> no, we don't. gadhafi made an appearance last night at his palace. i guess two nights ago now, gave a speech that included the lines "i am here, i am here, i am here." his main point seemed to be showing people that he was alive and in the palace. whether he immediately left for another more secure location, i have no idea. certainly if i was colonel gadhafi, i wouldn't let everyone know where i was.
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>> arwa, there have been reports i think it was in "the wall street journal," that opposition forces may have been receiving weapons, i think it was through egypt. have you seen any evidence that they have new weaponry at all? >> reporter: no, anderson, we haven't. we've also heard various reports that weapons have been coming from egypt and some other countries. we've been asking the opposition leadership, their military leadership about this. they're denying that any sort of government is sending them weapons, that they are receiving weapons from the outside. what we do see is opposition fighters alongside the main routes here going from benghazi to abdijaya trying to put together whatever weapons they've managed to recuperate from gadhafi's forces following the air strikes. you see them on the side of the road trying to put together the damaged multiple barreled rocket launchers. we see them trying to haul the
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tanks away. they tell us they're trying to repair those. this is really how they've been arming themselves. they have basically been cobbling together bits and pieces of weapons that they're finding. what they carry into the battlefield is whatever they have recovered from weapon storage facilities, from arms depots. this is why they say they need weapons and equipment. now, the chief of staff for the opposition military did tell us that they specifically have asked various foreign countries for weapons and for equipment, because these fighters out there, anderson, they don't even have flak jackets. but the army chief of staff is saying that as of now, they have not received anything. >> david, we saw this anchor or television presenter basically whip out what looks like a brand new ak-47. i know you were on the road today in a town where people have been armed, given new ak-47s. that would seem to be a sign of some confidence by gadhafi if he's willing to arm some of his people.
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>> reporter: i thought it was a sign of remarkable confidence. we were in the stronghold of libya's largest tribe. everyone here says you can't rule out them. they're the bedrock of the gadhafi military forces. this is a town where so many young men go in the military. the university is pretty much all women, because military jobs are a good source of income and prestige here. and yet we've been hearing murmurs that they were wavering in their loyalty. there has been coup attempts in the past, and if they were to defect, that would be a real bellwether event. yet in this context, here's colonel gadhafi handing out a new rifle to every household. >> arwa dam ap, david kirkpatrick, thank you very much.
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stay safe. let us know what you think on facebook and on twitter. strong criticism coming up over the united states' role in libya. some say it cost too much. some say there's no reason for the u.s. to be there. strategic reasons. we'll hear from richard haass next. we'll also talk to former general wesley clark, ann marie slaughter, jill dougherty and others. different viewpoints. also ahead, another setback at the damaged nuclear power plant in japan and another pressing problem. word today the water is contaminated, too dangerous for infants to safely drink, even in tokyo. we'll have the latest on that, coming up. i couldn't conceive this as a heart attack.
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new pictures from the french military. planes taking off from an aircraft carrier as part of the allied air strikes in libya. here in the united states, especially on capitol hill, there's criticism over america's role in the operation. house speaker john boehner sent a letter to president obama today complaining that military resources were committed without the president explaining to congress what the mission is. then there's the cost. using figures from the navy, cnn estimates the u.s. will spend $800 million to establish the no-fly zone over libya. after that, $100 million a week to maintain it.
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beyond the price tag, there's political and philosophical criticism. richard haass is the former chief of staff adviser to colin powell. i know you don't think there were vital interests at stake in terms of getting the u.s. involved. let's talk about where we move forward from here since we are involved in this. how do you see the operation going? what are your biggest concerns now? >> you're right, we are where we are, whether you thought this was a great idea or a terrible idea. my hunch is that the operation will take longer than people think, it always does. the opposition is always seen as a plural, rather than a singular organized fighting force. they really weren't prepared for something like this. the allies weren't coordinated much among themselves, much less with the opposition. so you've got to prepare for something that could be messy and prolonged. >> when president obama says days, not weeks in terms of u.s. leadership on this, or u.s. the most prominent role in this, do you buy that? >> if he's right, someone else better be prepared to step in. could be the arab league or the
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french. or some other european. but you are ultimately going to need an awful lot of military help on behalf of the opposition. and then if you succeed, you're going to need probably some kind of a peacekeeping force. there's going to be a security vacu vacuum. the one thing we could probably predict, if the opposition ever does get rid of gadhafi, then their one common thread will have disappeared and for all we know then, they'll start fighting among themselves. you'll have to provide some national order. gadhafi never allowed an army to really grow up that has a national reach. this is -- even if we're successful, this is going to be extraordinarily messy. >> people say we know who the opposition is. look at the makeup of the council running benghazi now, they are doctors, former government people, secularists. do you buy that, or do you feel like we don't know who the opposition is? >> no, because in civil wars, in libya you've got an unbelievably
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complicated overlay of tribes and families and the rest. anyone who speaks with any confidence that we know what would succeed gadhafi, if gadhafi were to fall or fail, i simply don't buy it. >> do you not see this as a democratic uprising, that just turned violent or do you see this as a civil war that the u.s. is now siding with one group in a civil war? >> absolutely the latter. this is a civil war. whether you think it was humanitarian intervention or not, this is a civil war. we have sided with one side, the opposition to gadhafi. we don't know exactly who it is we're siding with. we certainly don't know who on the side we're working with would prevail with in the end. civil wars are nasty and often people who come to the fore are not people who are necessarily reading the federalist papers. >> could anything be worse than gadhafi, a guy who has run the place like penal colony. >> as bad as he's been and as bad as he could be, sure. you could have situations of massive chaos.
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you could have people come to the fore who are aligned with radical islamic groups. you could have a central government that doesn't control big chunks of the territory. >> before gadhafi, there were sort of three main areas that made up libya. it wasn't much of a country. >> right. you could have ungoverned spaces where groups like al qaeda could put down roots. so yeah, as bad as things are. one of my few rules in the middle east, things have to get worse before things get worse. they don't necessarily improve. so i can spin out scenarios where things in libya get better, but we have to be prepared for the fact that things could get worse, that gadhafi could prevail, or even if the opposition were to prevail and oust him, that's not the end of things. that's the beginning of phase two. and that could be extraordinarily complicated. >> so this operation is going to take a lot longer than people have been led to believe? >> whatever the u.s. phase is, until libya is functioning as a normal country, that could be a
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matter of years. >> can you see a situation where gadhafi remains in power and this operation ends? >> sure. he could hang tough, by and large if the government stays in tact, and are willing to kill their own people, they can remain in place and then the international community would have to decide whether to escalate. we don't know if the europeans and the united states would be willing to escalate. the president said he wants gadhafi to go, but no american boots on the ground. right now we have a disconnect between the ambition of our goals and the limits on our means. unless someone else is willing to provide those additional means, sure, it's quite possible that gadhafi could survive or you simply have a stand off. you can imagine libya fighting this out for some time to come. >> richard haass, appreciate you being on. joining us from paris, correspondent jill dougherty and ann marie slaughter, and in little rock, arkansas, general wesley clark. ann marie slaughter, you heard
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rachd haas raising many of the questions about where we go from here. what do you make of that? >> as much as i like richard, i disagree on just about every point. let's look at it in terms of where we were a week ago, where we didn't even have a u.n. resolution. then we get a u.n. resolution that is supported by a remarkable coalition of countries, including lebanon, colombia, nigeria, other countries. then saturday, the first planes are in the air. that's only 3 1/2 days ago. in 3 1/2 days, we have stopped gadhafi in his tracks, we prevented a massacre in benghazi. we are making progress and enabling the rebels to make progress outside of other towns as we just heard. in tripoli, people are starting once again to make clear that they really don't support gadhafi. they're emerging from the blanket of fear. what we're hearing now, in only
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3 1/2 days with nine nations in the coalition, we're hearing that members of gadhafi's inner circle are reaching out to lots of governments, which is exactly consistent with the strategy we've been following. so i think 3 1/2 days in, that's not a bad track record. >> general clark, what about you? there are a lot of things we don't know about the opposition forces, the makeup of them, what they would do afterward. and where this operation goes from here. we are doing this on the fly. i think it was gates himself said today that we're doing this -- i can't remember the exact quote, but we usually don't do this thing on the fly as we have been. >> right. this is not a conventional military intervention. normally you would say what's your military objective and how does it support the decisive outcome that you're seeking? here we have a decisive outcome we're seeking, which is to get rid of gadhafi, but the military objective doesn't exactly lead to that outcome necessarily. it might. and this is a situation, it is
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on the fly, it's being put together. it could work. it's going to take a lot of work behind the scenes with allies, arabs and the libyan opposition to pull this off and there are limits apparently to what the military is going to be enabled to do. so that means there's got to be other means employed to get the desired outcome. it could work. but it's not a conventional way of going at it. >> ann marie, it does seem what we're looking for is a political solution to this, meaning a political outcome, gadhafi leaving or being taken out. is a military -- is the military force really the best way to get a political outcome, does that work? >> i think we're combining force with diplomacy and each has a distinct mission. the use of force is designed to protect civilians, and it is succeeding in that goal, remarkably in a short period of time. we are protecting civilians. we're basically forcing gadhafi to fight much more fairly rather
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than invading cities and taking retribution. at the same time, we have a diplomatic strategy of isolation and pressure to try to force gadhafi out. now, the military strategy has leveled the playing field. at the same time we're working in many different ways. economic sanctions, political pressure to change the calculations at least of the people around gadhafi and it looks like that may be working, as well. it's never one or the other. it's never just force or diplomacy. real state craft is using them both in ways that reinforce each other. i think there are two missions here, but they reinforce each other. >> jill, what's the latest on the debate over allied command and control? >> reporter: well, the latest we're hearing in fact from european diplomats is that the stopping -- what's stopping nato really from, you know, being the central focus here is the french. that they simply don't want it. why don't they want it?
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they say that the arabs wouldn't like it. but then some of these diplomats tell us the arabs really couldn't care less. it would be okay with them. then there's also that, how do we put it delicately, the ego issue of president sarkozy and some people talked about that, he right from the beginning wanted to be seen as the person who was leading this, and perhaps that's part of the motivation. >> jill, general clark, thank you very much. ann marie, stay with us. i want to talk about what's going on in yemen and syria. security forces launching crackdowns in syria, yemen and bahrain. we'll see how u.s. interests in the middle east might be affected. and a setback for the power plant in japan. we'll speak to a man in syria. [ male announcer ] at quicken loans, we're obsessed
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anti-government protesters in syria clashed today with security forces in the city of dara. about a dozen vehicles were set ablaze. human rights activists say at least 15 people were killed by security forces. while the united states, western europe and most arab nations are focused on libya, many parts of the middle east are boiling over. they've been cracking down in syria since last week. at times security forces firing tear gas to disperse protesters. the government has tried to isolate dara, cutting off electricity, telephone service. activists say at least 21 people have died there since friday. in yemen, the president finally agreed today to government
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reforms. but at the same time, yemen's parliament extended his emergency powers for another 30 days. last week, yemen's security forces launched a violent crackdown on protesters killing more than 50. on sunday, thousands turned out for the funerals of many of those who died. and in bahrain, weeks of peaceful demonstrations against the ruling family turned violent last week when security forces launched a crackdown chasing protesters out of a main square, that they had been occupying in the capital, killing some protesters. saudi forces had also moved in to bahrain. earlier tonight i spoke to wassam tarif. human rights activist on syria on the violence unfolding there. we offered to talk to him without using his name, but he insisted he wanted his name used. we considered not doing in the interview, but we believe he is well aware of the dangers he faces. and we decided to respect his request. today, syrian authorities arrested a prominent rights activist, but you want us to
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talk to you and you want us to use your name. why do you want us to use your name? why is that so important? >> well, it is important, the high wall of fear in syria has fallen. syrian people who are living in exile and living abroad, who are calling arab networks, tvs and hiding their name and disguising their voices should stop it now. people are dying right now in dara. we have been living in this country for 50 years under emergency law. this element of fear has to be broken. >> what is the situation on the ground there? >> well, in dara, dara has been in blackout. there is no land lines working, mobile phones are not working. there is no electricity at the moment.
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the security forces have invaded the mosque last night and killed six people. a lady of 48 years old was injured. she tied at 10:00 in the morning. her family tried to bury her. the security forces prevented the funeral because they know that during the funeral people gather and people become more excited. and that causes much more anger and people gathered again around 2:00 around the mosque, and they were seized by security forces. and the security forces created more brutality. we have confirmed a few names of people that have been killed. another eight names are being
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circulated and we are trying to confirm the names. people are being slaughtered right now in dara. >> the protesters, though, unlike in tunisia, unlike in egypt, they're not calling for the end of the president's regime. >> no. no one has told the president to leave. they are asking for a simple and realistic demand. they are asking for the release of prisoners of conscience. they are asking for the abolishment of emergency law. they are asking for reform in the country. syria is full of young people who would love a quality education. they have to be given the chance to prove themselves and to build the country. this is not the way the president should be managing this. he has to start listening. it's the time to start listening and acting. he can't afford anymore
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promises. reforms should have started 11 years ago, not now. this man has to start listening to the demands of his people now. >> i applaud your courage and appreciate your talking to us. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> let's talk more about the growing violence in syria, yemen and bahrain. all very different situations. back with us, ann marie slaughter from princeton university. a former director of policy planning at the state department. first, the situation in syria, what do you make of the government's crackdown? >> well, the first thing to say is the courage of these people is absolutely amazing. our hats go off, you know, the government is going to try to continue to use the tactic that it has used for a long time, which is to snuff out any protest. but what we just heard, which i think is most important, is the wall of fear is coming down.
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that people are realizing that other people are willing to speak out. that other people are willing to take risks and then they're more willing to take risk. as you heard, as people sacrificed their lives for this -- in protest, then you have funerals and that begins to escalate. that's a cycle we've seen in many countries. but in syria, it really takes tremendous courage. >> the police state in syria is omnipresent. it's the same phrase breaking down that wall of fear, same phrase we heard in egypt early on, people saying "fear had been defeated." it's interesting that the demonstrations in syria, that so far at this point the people have not been calling for the president to actually step down. and yet he's not taking that as an opportunity to kind of show his willingness to, you know, go after corruption, go after reform. >> that's right. although of course they are asking for things that would make it much harder for him to rule. they are asking for the release of political prisoners, they're
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asking for the lifting of the emergency law. those are the tools with which you keep enforced stability. but they are doing actually exactly what you would recommend, which is they're demonstrating peacefully and they're asking for reform. and that is, in fact, a position that the united states has supported for many years now where we've been pushing governments to meet the needs of their people, to evolve so they have evolution rather than revolution. and here you're seeing a state that doesn't look like it's likely to take that root. and at that point things can turn violent. >> thank you very much for being with us. next, breaking news out of japan. parents in tokyo warn that tap water in japan's capital is unsafe for infants, tainted by radioactive iodine. and the stricken nuclear plant that's leaking radiation. why workers had to leave the site again today. details ahead.
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when the earthquake happened, students at the elementary evacuated out of the school. they had no idea a tsunami was coming. out of 108 students at the school that day, 77 are either dead or missing. that's 70% of the children at this school. only a shell stands where children learned. backpack after backpack sits for parents to retrieve, along with a picture of the school little league team, the bats they used, art bags filled with crayons, all waiting to be identified and brought home.
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>> hard to believe, one school, one town. the death toll rose to nearly 9,500 today with more than 15,000 still missing. so many stories still to be told. so many people to be recovered. fewer than ten americans run unaccounted for according to the u.s. state department. breaking news in tokyo. officials warning residents not to give tap water to infants or use it in formula after tests found levels of radioactive iodine twice the limit for babies. stores are seeing a run on bottled water. as you can imagine. tokyo's government said it's going to give water to 80,000 households with babies. according to japanese television. keep in mind, tokyo is 150 miles from the fukushima daiichi nuclear power plant. at the plant today, another setback. smoke began pouring from the badly damaged number three reactor, forcing more evacuations of workers.
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they have reportedly resumed their work inside. we have new pictures to show you taken inside control rooms. this is the number one and two reactors. the plant's owner said two owners were injured while working with an electrical payable. early today, i talked with an american technician that was working inside the plant when the earthquake struck. here's what danny udey told me in our interview. >> it went on for a long time and while we were there, we just got into the corner, myself and my other co-workers, and friends and the japanese people tried to get up close to some of the main structure and the beams that were there, and do the best we could, because we couldn't make it to the door, it was shaking too much, too violently for us to get out. >> he was lucky to get out. more of that interview later this week. tonight, the crisis, the quake and the tsunami. nuclear experts point out the clock is running. michael freelander joins me now. michael, when electricity was
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restored at the plant, or at least those cables were hooked back up, it hasn't been fully restored, the cooling pumps haven't been turned on, but there was hope the crisis was getting under control. you believe some of the most risky work still lays ahead. >> yeah, that's exactly right, anderson. think about it. when that accident happened, much of the radioactivity basically stayed inside what we call the primary containment building. over the days, we've seen some of the consequences of that in the countryside and now reaching to tokyo. most of that radioactivity remains inside the primary containment. as we restore those plant systems and start moving the plant toward stable safe shutdown conditions, we need to start moving large quantities of radioactive water outside the primary containment. and that is going to require meticulous oversight and management. >> there's also concern about something i hadn't heard about before, but salt buildup inside the reactors which could cause harm to heat up even more.
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are you concerned about this and explain why there's so much salt in these reactors, from the saltwater? >> yeah, anderson, for almost two weeks now, we've been injecting about 100 gallons a minute of seawater into these reactors. it's sort of like a teapot on the stove. as you pour increasing amounts of water in that -- saltwater in that teapot, the steam boils off and leaves the salt behind. so that salt is now inside the reactor vessel and settling in the bottom of the reactor. what we're worried about is that salt may be placed on the side and it can do two things. it insulates them to a certain degree and can block the flow of cooling water. >> do we know about the conditions of -- whether there's enough water now to cover the spent fuel rod pools?
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>> we don't have any detailed information. we will get our first glimpse of that as they restore power, as they get their instrumentation and controls back. from the main control rooms, then we'll be able to monitor the levels and the temperatures. that's why restoring power was a critical evolution and getting command and control back is going to be really important. >> you said one of the biggest worries is contaminated food and water. what does this tap water warning in tokyo tell you about the extent of the contamination? >> another great question. this is indeed the principle issue we are going to have to monitor over the months and years to come. as that radiation, as that cloud of radioactive material drifted away from the power plant, it settled out in the countryside and the ocean. and we know the watersheds that feeds the rivers that supply tokyo's water supply are in those areas. so what's happened over the last several days, as the rain has
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come down, it's washed that radioactivity into the rivers. so while at a local level it may have been a very, very low level of contamination, it's now concentrated into the rivers. i think we're going to see that occurring more, as well as in the ocean food chain. >> michael freelander, good to talk to you. appreciate your expertise. thank you very much. >> you bet. still ahead, a u.s. soldier pleading guilty to murdering afghan civilians for sport. he says he lost his moral compass. those were his words. plus, elizabeth taylor being remembered tonight as one of the world's greats. a leader in aids activism. she will not soon be forgotten. details ahead. or cadillac of t. push your onstar button and you could be one of them. even if you're not an onstar customer. ♪ just push your blue button and tell the advisor you want to enter the onstar push on sweepstakes.
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let's get an update on some of the other stories we're following. isha sesay has a "360" news and business bulletin. a u.s. soldier charged with killing afghan civilians in cold blood last year was sentenced today to 24 years in military prison. army special itself jeremy moore pleaded guilty to three counts of murder and agreed to testify against other soldiers charged in the killings. in san francisco, a federal appeals court has again refused to allow same-sex marriages in california while an appeal is pending. last year a federal judge declared a voter approved ban on same-sex marriages in california unconstitutional. the civil rights challenge is now at the u.s. court of appeals for the ninth circuit. the quake in japan may worsen the ipad ii shortage. the earthquake has halted or delayed production of many components in the popular device. and actress elizabeth taylor has died. in her nearly seven-decade career, she acted in more than
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50 films, winning two oscars. taylor landed on hollywood's map when she was just 12 starring in "national velvet." the child actress grew into a movie queen. she was the first actress to earn a million dollars for "cleopatra." co-starring with richard burton. off screen, she married eight times, twice to burton. after the death of her friend rock hudson, she became an activist, raising millions to help those with hiv-aids. elizabeth taylor was 79. and anderson, her son michael wilding put out a statement that read "she was an extraordinary woman and her legacy will never fade." >> what an extraordinary life. just incredible. isha, thank you very much. we'll be right back. ocid most calcium supplemts...
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